Introducing the Voyage podcast with Mike Schramm and Jacob Klatte. In this episode, your hosts, Mike and Jacob, introduce themselves and talk to Phil Kosloski and Mike LaVoy, owners of Voyage Comics and Publishing, about the need for entertainment rooted in the true, good and beautiful.
original release date: 10 January 2023
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mike: All right. Well, yeah, I guess I’m just kind of gear up a little bit. Welcome everybody to this maiden voyage of the voyage podcast. We caught we’re going to call this one the origin story, because like every good comic book or every good comic book character, it needs an origin story. And just like this podcast
jacob_klatte: like this podcast
mike: is going to be focusing on the intersection between, you know, faith, pop culture, literature, comic books, all those sorts of things.
jacob_klatte: This is an origin story. And…
mike: And that’s where that kind of brings in our two guests that we have, who are kind of the main reasons behind the Voyage podcast itself, which is Mike Lavoy and Phil Koslowski.
mike_lavoy: Thanks
jacob_klatte: Hi Mike.
mike: Did I say that right? Yeah.
phil_k: Yeah, pretty good.
mike: Yeah, all right. I’ve only ever seen it in writing, so.
mike_lavoy:
Hehehehe
mike:
But.
phil_k:
It’s just one of those weird Polish slash names that no one can pronounce, so…
mike_lavoy:
Yeah. And let me, let me add Mike, I’m glad you, you said made in voyage because we were, I was talking about using a different sailor lingo throughout the podcast. And you were kind of hesitant, like the young boy who his mom’s dropping him off from school and she’s like, don’t forget to wear your aunt Barb’s sweater that she knitted you. And you’re like, Oh mom.
jacob_klatte:
Oh,
mike:
Well,
jacob_klatte:
I think we should still do it. I think that
mike:
this
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we
mike:
is
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just need
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a…
jacob_klatte: to as much sailor jargon as we can possibly fit into every podcast.
mike:
This is what’s called being a team player. I’m trying to model for Jacob a little bit.
jacob_klatte:
Oh, Seth.
mike:
If the boss man says to use sailor lingo, then I use sailor lingo.
mike_lavoy:
Hehehe
mike:
But anyway,
jacob_klatte:
But anyway,
mike:
so we wanted
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so we
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this
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wanted
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to be
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this to be a
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a conversation
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conversation
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about
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about
mike:
I hear the echo that was kind of getting me off track a little bit.
mike_lavoy:
I do too,
mike:
This
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yeah.
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is all
jacob_klatte:
This is
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great
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all
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stuff
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great
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that we
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stuff.
mike:
can take out in the afterwards, but we wanted this to be
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is to
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a
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be
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conversation
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a conversation
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about
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about
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Voyage
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Voyage
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Comics
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Comics
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itself,
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itself,
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but then how
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but then
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that
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how
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kind
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that
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of ties
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kind of ties
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into
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into this podcast.
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this podcast
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And so we’re gonna
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specifically.
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be talking, like I said, a little
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And
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bit
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so
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about Voyage
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we’re going
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Comics.
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to
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So,
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be
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we’re
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talking,
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gonna be talking a little bit about
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like
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Voyage
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I said,
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Comics.
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a
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And
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little
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then
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bit
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we’re
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about
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gonna be talking
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Voyage
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about
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Comics.
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Voyage Comics.
mike:
Not only the, what inspired Voyage Comics itself, but then
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But
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how
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then
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that
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how
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same
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that
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inspiration
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same inspiration
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sort of
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sort
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led
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of
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into
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led into
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as a natural
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as a natural
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kind of
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kind
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growth
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of growth
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or development
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or development
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into this
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into
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podcast.
jacob_klatte: And so first just gonna we’re just going to go very quickly on the Voyage Comics background.
mike: And that’s where we wanna talk with Mike and Phil a little bit more about that.
mike_lavoy: Alright, so Phil, why don’t you go ahead and lead us off with this. So you’re the founder of Voyage Comics.
phil_k:
Sure, yeah, we’ll just kind of go back a little bit. So, yeah, so kind of just briefly on my background. So I really have no past experience with comic books or creating comic books
jacob_klatte:
You
phil_k:
or.
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know
phil_k:
Ha
jacob_klatte:
what?
phil_k:
ha.
jacob_klatte:
I need to interject before we just keep going. Is Mike’s breathing gonna show up in the recording?
mike_lavoy:
My breathing?
jacob_klatte:
No, Mike’s shroom, I think.
mike:
My, it doesn’t, um… I don’t see
mike_lavoy:
Mike,
mike:
anything
jacob_klatte:
Is it
mike:
going
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me?
mike:
up on my…
mike_lavoy:
Mike, can you just stop
jacob_klatte:
Who’s
mike_lavoy:
breathing
jacob_klatte:
breathing?
mike_lavoy:
for this recording?
jacob_klatte:
Is it? No, no. It’s just while Phil’s talking all I hear is.
mike_lavoy:
It might be me, I don’t know.
jacob_klatte:
And I don’t know if it’s me maybe, but I just, there’s
mike_lavoy:
I might be
jacob_klatte:
a,
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too close.
jacob_klatte:
there’s heavy breathing going on in the
mike_lavoy:
Hey,
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background.
mike:
It
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I’m
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so
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would
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picking
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while
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make
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we’re
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up
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sense
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on it.
mike:
that it’d be me, but…
mike_lavoy:
at this point, do we want to start over? Or we feel like we just want
jacob_klatte:
Hahahaha
mike_lavoy:
to like
phil_k:
Next!
mike_lavoy:
cut all that out and pick up where we left off? I felt like you did good, Mike, on the intro, and then we just got derailed.
jacob_klatte:
Well, sure, I don’t think it hurts to restart things, especially this early in the actual thing. He totally steamrolled me. I was supposed to ask for these people’s bios, Mike, and you just… you just
mike:
I was
mike_lavoy:
It’s
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giving
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going to
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you…
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be
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took
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awkward
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control.
mike_lavoy:
with the four people. It’s awkward.
jacob_klatte:
Yeah.
mike_lavoy:
You just have to jump in. You have to push yourself into the conversation and just walk all over Mike.
jacob_klatte:
uh… you know far too polite for you catholic folks
mike_lavoy:
Ha ha.
jacob_klatte:
uh…
mike:
Maybe we should just start over. I mean, I don’t know.
phil_k:
Okay,
mike:
Because
phil_k:
yeah.
mike:
if it’s that with the breathing too.
jacob_klatte:
Well, I don’t know.
Well, half the reason I even signed up to do this is to find out if Phil was in fact a real
mike_lavoy:
Hehehehe
jacob_klatte:
person. So I guess that’s one mystery put to bed.
mike_lavoy:
Is this a teaser into your artificial intelligence episode you’re planning?
jacob_klatte:
Well, I wouldn’t call
mike:
It is
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Phil
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now.
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intelligent.
mike:
I
mike_lavoy:
Ha
mike:
mean,
mike_lavoy:
ha ha
mike:
it is now, but I think there’s something to, I think there’s definitely room to explore just like the concept of mystery and where we can kind of see it show up in stories
jacob_klatte:
stories.
mike:
and comics and that sort of thing. So, yeah.
jacob_klatte:
Well tell us about yourselves there, Mike and Phil. Mike, you go first.
mike_lavoy:
All right, actually, I think I’m gonna have Phil go first. Then actually, we’ll just edit this part out. Jacob, I’ll have you redo that, just that one line, and introduce Phil first. He’s the founder, and just to kinda start it all.
jacob_klatte:
read through that one line.
mike_lavoy:
Yeah, just basically we’ll cut out that section where you took over and you’ll just say, well, speaking of that, you know, let’s start with these two guys. Phil introduce yourself. I mean
jacob_klatte:
Okay,
mike_lavoy:
those paraphrasing.
jacob_klatte:
sure, sure. Yeah, well, to get things going here, let’s start off with getting to know Phil and Mike first. Guys, you guys wanna give us a little bit of a bio?
phil_k:
Sure, I’ll start. So yeah, so I’m Phil Kosloski. I’m the founder of Voyage Comics. And really, being the founder of a comic book company was something I never really dreamed or imagined of doing. Even as a kid, I can’t really say that I had a very large comic book collection, maybe, I don’t know, five comics that I somewhat read. But then as I grew older, started to really get active in my Catholic faith, I wanted to, I don’t know, to kind of share it in a new and entertaining way. And a few years ago, it’s probably around 2018 or so, I had this idea of creating these Catholic comic books. And when I started, you know, again, like I said, I had absolutely no experience. You know, I wasn’t a script writer or anything. But then at the time I was, I did have a blog and I was kind of proposed this idea to kind of my audience at the time. And surprisingly, there was someone who who suggested to me a Catholic who was a veteran from Marvel Comics, Jim Fern, and he kind of really helped to kind of cement the idea like, hey, maybe I could do this. And then at the same time too, I knew I needed an artist and I was looking at this Catholic coloring book that was recently put out a few years ago and it’s by this Michael LaVoy and I’d never heard of him before, I’ll be honest. And um…
jacob_klatte:
What? You hadn’t heard of Mike Lavoy? Crazy.
mike:
That’s the ring of endorsement, you, yeah.
jacob_klatte: Oh man,
mike_lavoy: mild
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hiding
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mannered
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under a
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Mike
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rock
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LeVoy.
jacob_klatte:
over here.
mike:
Nothing
phil_k:
Yeah.
mike:
says entertainment, you know, literature in a world like, I’d never heard of him before.
phil_k:
Yeah, and, but I really was kind of struck by this, by his artwork and I knew some kind of common friends. And so I just kind of sent Mike an email saying, hey, do you want to do a comic book? And that was kind of it. Like I only had a vision for one comic book. And then, you know. That’s kind of how we got started.
mike_lavoy:
Yeah, I’ll just chime in here, Phil, if you don’t mind, but you and I, I think we’re really on a similar path in our spiritual journey at the same time. And like you said, we knew of each other. I think we’d seen each other at least once, maybe twice, through some mutual friends, but didn’t really know each other. And you were kind of seeking God’s will on how you could use your writing talent. to serve Him, and I was seeking God’s will in how I could use my artistic talent to serve Him. And I think, you know, Divine Providence brought us together and has continued to work in this company, you know, building it up to what it has become. And so hopefully when you said you’re struck by my artwork that was… a good thing. I didn’t give you like a heart attack or something because it was so bad. But that was right around the time where I had first started freelancing. I had completed that coloring book for a small Catholic publisher. And shortly after you gave me the phone call about this comic book idea and I was just thrilled and excited. I love comic book art. I’ve always kind of been more of an animation person growing up. That was kind of always the dream. But really attracted to comic book art. And certainly being able to work with Jim Fern, as you mentioned, and being guided by him as a young artist was kind of a dream come true. And again, definitely, you know, a godsend.
jacob_klatte:
How did
mike_lavoy:
So,
jacob_klatte:
that even happen?
mike_lavoy:
as you said,
jacob_klatte:
How did you guys run into this Marvel comic artist? You guys make it sound like they’re just walking down the street every day. It’s like, oh hey, I know you. How did that
phil_k:
Yeah,
jacob_klatte:
happen?
mike_lavoy:
Hehehe
phil_k:
well, kind of like I said, I had a blog, it wasn’t about comic books at all, it’s just about Catholic spirituality for several years. The funny thing with the internet is you never know who is on your email list. And so a person on the email list, who was kind of following my own writing, knew this Catholic artist, Jim Fern, who had worked for Marvel for like 30 years and introduced us to, you know, and really, like, from my point of view, it was very providential because, you know, like I said, I didn’t know anyone in the comic book industry, but meeting him and then there are also some other key connections that we’ve made over the years have really helped us to not only make you know, just to make comic books, but actually make good ones that people want to
mike:
This
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pick
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is
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up.
mike:
a
jacob_klatte:
This is
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Catholic
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a.
mike:
podcast though, Phil. So you’re supposed to say you were waiting in line for confession and
phil_k:
and I’ll see you next time. Bye.
mike:
he was right there
mike_lavoy:
Hehehe
mike:
behind you in line. And you’re like, hey, aren’t you,
jacob_klatte:
Hahaha
mike:
you know, like that’s like the, that’s the answer that we, we’re gonna try to mark it though a little.
phil_k:
Hehehehehehe
mike_lavoy:
I’m sorry.
jacob_klatte:
Yeah.
mike:
So you guys talked a little bit about kind of like the, I guess the practical sort of circumstances that led to your background to the start of voyage, but you were saying how it had to do with a re-engagement or just a deepening of each of your Catholic faiths. And so what was it specifically about your Catholic faith that led to stories or comics or artwork or visual arts, those sorts, like was there an idea? Or was there, like I said, a piece of the faith that really resonated with you that had to do with this, for lack of a better term, content creation, so to speak.
mike_lavoy:
Yeah, so I can tell you that for me, I was kind of looking around and just making this observation that I really wanted better Catholic entertainment available to my kids. You know, you look for Catholic entertainment, and there’s some out there, but generally speaking, it’s not very good. It’s low budget, it’s kind of cheesy. And I think my kids
mike:
Name
mike_lavoy:
deserve
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names.
mike_lavoy:
better than that.
mike:
Name names.
mike_lavoy:
Yeah,
mike:
Names.
mike_lavoy:
no, we’re
jacob_klatte:
He’s
mike_lavoy:
gonna
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a gay
mike_lavoy:
keep,
jacob_klatte:
man.
mike:
Yeah.
mike_lavoy:
you’re gonna get us in trouble. So yeah, I really wanted to address that. And I’m sure Phil, you can talk a little bit about that as well. I’m sure you kind of had a similar feeling.
phil_k:
Yeah, you know, it’s, so at the time, kind of when I was starting to think about, you know, writing and kind of evangelizing through media, I had been working at the parish level, and, you know, just one thing I’ve always found that sometimes, you know, it’s good to teach kind of the, you know, the truths of the faith or to teach the catechism, but, often you can only do that kind of after someone’s like kind of encountered the faith in some way. And often, whether we realize it or not, we encounter it through stories. And just that the idea of presenting kind of Catholic truths in a narrative format just really kind of, it made sense to me. And it just also kind of made sense how in so many other areas of our life, you know, we encounter stories and we’re captivated by stories. And it really brings us in, or it has a lot of potential to, you know, either lead us towards God or away from God. And so I wanted to kind of focus on, well, let’s make stories that can, can lead us, lead us to God.
mike_lavoy:
Yeah,
mike:
And
mike_lavoy:
I think
mike:
yeah,
mike_lavoy:
we’re…
mike:
oh,
mike_lavoy:
Go ahead, Mike. No,
mike:
go
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you.
mike:
ahead,
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Ha
mike:
Mike.
mike_lavoy:
ha.
jacob_klatte:
No, Mike, you
mike:
So
jacob_klatte:
go, Mike.
mike:
it’s not a, so it’s not so much a, obviously not a replacement for the gospel, but it’s not an overt, just retelling of the gospel or the life of Jesus. It’s something that sort of like moves you along that path, whether it’s exciting the imagination or provoking thought, like you said, through entertainment or through stories and things like that. But sorry, Mike, go ahead and. what were you gonna follow up with?
mike_lavoy:
Yeah, I was just gonna say that I think we tend to be creatures that are the sum of all the little things we take in, and I think we unknowingly sometimes take in a lot of content that may seem harmless in itself, but when you aggregate it with all the other content you’re taking in, and it all really I think stems from a, you know, an atheist worldview. Again, even if something seems neutral, it’s not really leading us closer to God. And therefore, if it’s not leading us closer to God, we’re either stagnant or we’re moving backwards. And so, we wanted to provide, again, something that allowed Catholics to consume little bits here and there of enjoyment that builds them up towards God.
jacob_klatte:
I really love what you’re saying here because as a parent, one of the things that I realized a while back is that most of my communication with my kids is negative in the sense of like, no that’s bad, no that’s bad, no that’s bad, no that’s bad. It’s like, well what’s good, dad? you know, like, oh, you know, is that comic not good for my soul? Is that movie not good for my soul? OK, well, what is what is good for my soul then? You know, and there’s this reality where even if what I just said is kind of a caricature of what it’s like with my relationship with my kids, it’s not that far off, you know, whereas we live in this climate, this culture of what you were getting at, this kind of de facto atheistic. God isn’t here reality, you know, even the neutral stuff. Well, it doesn’t have God in it. It doesn’t have Jesus in it. And so we’ve we’ve already seeded the grounds in this modern era that neutrality means not getting closer to Jesus. Like, and that’s not neutral for Christians. That’s a net negative. And if we don’t create content that we can point to as parents. All we’re going to be able to do is tut tut all the things that our kids’ friends are into and it sets us up for failure.
mike:
Well, and it’s
mike_lavoy:
Yeah.
mike:
kind of the whole idea of, or the whole Catholic concept of grace building on nature. We sometimes only focus on the grace, but that assumes that there’s already a foundation of nature there. And so when it comes to, oh, we want to instill in them all the sense of grace when it comes to, obviously, prayer or the sacraments or the gospel or whatever. But that assumes there’s a level of nature on which to build upon. And If there isn’t that natural connection or that natural element, which is through, you know, relationships, but especially stories, because that’s how, whether it’s us as dads relating to our kids and, you know, watching things together or reading books together or talking about those things together, that’s that foundation of nature upon which we can then build, right? Or God can build with grace, you know, and whether it’s the grace of the sacraments, the grace of the gospel, talking about Jesus stuff, so to speak. It’s like that already presumes that we’ve already had those connections through, you know, whether it’s a movie we watched or a comic book we read or something like that.
jacob_klatte:
Well,
mike_lavoy:
Yeah.
jacob_klatte:
another thing that I like about it is this idea that when we venture into other cultures, right, historically speaking, when Christianity has spread throughout regions and things like that, oftentimes it would be engaging with the culture that’s there and mining from it what’s good, right? So there’s this kind of modern myth that Christianity just goes and bulldozes. other cultures that that that just goes in there and it just like you know, everything’s about hacking down the Like Odintree or whatever, you know, like all these different stories But there’s an awful lot of Christianity an awful lot of Christianity that is not just erasing people’s heritage It’s finding the gospel in it, right? And so, you know comic books they’re they’re an American Cultural product, you know, they’re one of those things that we developed in this country, so why not take that culture and use it for Christ?
mike_lavoy:
Yeah, I think we have to face the fact too that we have more time for leisure than any people in the history of the world. And we consume a lot of entertainment as a result. And so we’re being formed by the things we consume, whether we realize it or not.
phil_k:
Yeah, and I really do kind of believe in the concept as well of how beauty can attract and just the idea that, that God is beautiful and anything in the world that is participates in that beauty can lead us towards him. And so that’s why I just, I love the comic book format because it has, the potential of beautiful images, but then as well kind of a beautiful story that goes along with it and can then hopefully lead us to the truth and goodness of God.
mike:
Well, and to go kind of connect Jacob and Phil’s points together of like, you know, if the whole idea of evangelization, it’s not the colonization of taking away what made the culture what it was, whether it’s going to some, you know, far off place of the earth or re-engaging the culture as we see it now. And in doing it through beauty is it’s like you’re, you’re drawing out what, what was good or what was already there, drawing out, you know, whether it was the beautiful element or the true element to it. And then, again, it’s God’s way in a larger scale of being able to give that grace where there’s the fertile soil, so to speak, right? If we kind of paraphrase that parable that Jesus gives about, there has to be the seed that’s planted, there’s the soil, and then the watering and the time and the development. And comic books now, along with the sort of video or TV adaptations of comics, that’s the new mythology. It’s the mythology that the early Christians were experiencing, but now it’s just
jacob_klatte:
It’s amazing.
mike:
a new medium for the same kind
jacob_klatte:
same
mike:
of
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kind
mike:
mythical
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of mythical
mike:
structure
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structure
mike:
or similar
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or in
mike:
stories,
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similar
mike:
things
jacob_klatte:
ways.
mike:
like that.
mike_lavoy:
Hey, so that seems like a great segue for the next section, Seeds of the Word, and maybe we’re already in that conversation, but Mike, can you just tell
mike:
That was
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us a
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my
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little
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natural
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bit about what
mike:
transition.
mike_lavoy:
that phrase? Yeah, it was a good transition.
jacob_klatte:
It’s like he knew what he was doing.
mike:
Yeah.
mike_lavoy:
And I ruined it by making it so obvious. All
mike:
You guys,
mike_lavoy:
right.
mike:
yeah. That’s okay, we’ll cut it out anyway. If it’s just more of me on and on and on, that’s fine.
mike_lavoy:
All right, so Mike, why don’t you tell us a little bit about that phrase, Cesar word, where it comes from, what it means.
mike:
I should also say that in like 30 seconds, the second bell to tell everybody to go into class is going to ring, so maybe… There it is. Perfect.
mike_lavoy:
Alright
jacob_klatte:
Boom.
mike:
All
mike_lavoy:
Manny,
mike:
right.
mike_lavoy:
cut
mike:
Less than, not
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that
mike:
even
mike_lavoy:
out.
mike:
30 seconds. Yeah, so, I mean, that whole concept of the seeds of the word, I mean, that goes back to early Christianity, whether we’re talking St. Justin Martyr, St. Irenaeus of Lyon, some of these first Christian theologians who had to kind of engage with this largely pagan culture. I mean, fortunately, you know, Christians don’t have to deal with anything like that anymore. But dealing with this, like, anti-Christian or non-Christian where they have all of these different experiences, philosophies,
jacob_klatte:
philosophies,
mike:
stories,
jacob_klatte:
stories,
mike:
mythologies,
jacob_klatte:
mythologies.
mike:
and it’s up to these newly converted Christians, theologians to, like, Where is the good? Where is the true? Where is the beautiful in these things? And how can grace build upon this nature that’s already here? Because we, by our human nature, are going to find true things or discover true
jacob_klatte:
scourge.
mike:
things. We’re going to create beautiful things or sub-create beautiful things. We’re going to, on a natural level, do good things or recognize good things. But then, in recognizing that, Where is that grace that can build upon those? And that’s what this Seeds of the Word concept is. That’s what so much of Christian theology, as it’s developed over 2,000 years, has had to
jacob_klatte:
had
mike:
do,
jacob_klatte:
to do
mike:
is it’s had
jacob_klatte:
is
mike:
to
jacob_klatte:
it
mike:
look
jacob_klatte:
had to
mike:
out
jacob_klatte:
look
mike:
at the world around it, whether it’s the first
jacob_klatte:
the
mike:
century,
jacob_klatte:
first century,
mike:
the 10th
jacob_klatte:
the
mike:
century,
jacob_klatte:
tenth century,
mike:
or
jacob_klatte:
or
mike:
the
jacob_klatte:
the
mike:
21st
jacob_klatte:
21st
mike:
century,
jacob_klatte:
century,
mike:
and say,
jacob_klatte:
and say,
mike:
what is the
jacob_klatte:
what
mike:
true?
jacob_klatte:
is the truth,
mike:
What is the
jacob_klatte:
what
mike:
good?
jacob_klatte:
is the
mike:
What
jacob_klatte:
good
mike:
is the beautiful
jacob_klatte:
with
mike:
that’s
jacob_klatte:
you
mike:
here?
jacob_klatte:
that’s here,
mike:
And then,
jacob_klatte:
and then
mike:
how can
jacob_klatte:
how can
mike:
Christianity,
jacob_klatte:
Christianity,
mike:
or
jacob_klatte:
or how can
mike:
how can God
jacob_klatte:
God
mike:
reconcile?
jacob_klatte:
reconcile
mike:
these things
jacob_klatte:
these things
mike:
with the faith
jacob_klatte:
with the
mike:
that’s
jacob_klatte:
faith
mike:
been
jacob_klatte:
that’s
mike:
handed down.
jacob_klatte:
in the
mike:
Does
jacob_klatte:
devil?
mike:
that kind of,
jacob_klatte:
Is that
mike:
I mean,
jacob_klatte:
kind of,
mike:
I guess
jacob_klatte:
I mean,
mike:
as
jacob_klatte:
I guess
mike:
a sort
jacob_klatte:
that’s
mike:
of
jacob_klatte:
a
mike:
like
jacob_klatte:
sort of thinking.
mike:
brief overview, you know, that certainly relates to how what you guys are doing at Voyage and what we want to do with this podcast too.
mike_lavoy:
Yeah, I think that was, you know, Phil’s original aim with the voyage blog. If any of our listeners are readers of the blog is typically though, the, uh, the writers will take a story, um, either from a comic book or a movie. And it could even be like a section of a story, a small part of a story. And they will look for the, the true, the good and the beautiful and draw that out for the readers of the blog to, to ponder.
jacob_klatte:
Well, one of the things that I like to consider is this goes back even to St. Paul himself. So when he ventures into the Areopagus and he’s going to the place where the cultural, you know, Maloo… Meal-you? Meal-you? Of,
mike:
You’re
jacob_klatte:
uh,
mike:
doing great, you’re doing
jacob_klatte:
yeah,
mike:
great.
jacob_klatte:
right?
mike:
You’re doing great, sweetie.
jacob_klatte:
The cultural
mike_lavoy:
One
jacob_klatte:
Maloo…
mike_lavoy:
of those is bound to be correct.
jacob_klatte:
Yeah, right? was being shaped, right? Where you have these thinkers and cultural creators and content makers of their day hanging out in this public forum. It’s like the Twitter of its time, right? It’s like, it was a lot harder back then, kids. You actually had to go
mike_lavoy:
Yeah.
jacob_klatte:
on top of a mountain
mike:
I feel
jacob_klatte:
and just
mike:
like that’s
jacob_klatte:
sit in
mike:
the
jacob_klatte:
the…
mike:
premise
jacob_klatte:
Yes.
mike:
of like a cheesy SNL skit.
phil_k:
Hehehehehehe
mike_lavoy:
Heheheheheheh
mike:
Or whatever the like, you know, maybe EWTN does a, oh sorry I shouldn’t
jacob_klatte:
Oh,
mike:
drop. Maybe
jacob_klatte:
wait,
mike:
they have an SNL, maybe they have a version of SNL that they do.
jacob_klatte:
wait. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don’t give that to EWTN.
mike_lavoy:
Maybe Voyage
jacob_klatte:
That’s
mike_lavoy:
needs to start
jacob_klatte:
that’s
mike_lavoy:
sketch
jacob_klatte:
Voyage’s
mike_lavoy:
comedy.
jacob_klatte:
next sketch comedy. Next on the block for Voyage. It starts here, eventually.
mike:
I feel like the devotees would come after me though,
phil_k:
Thanks for watching!
mike:
so we gotta take
mike_lavoy:
Hehehe
mike:
that part out.
jacob_klatte:
Dude, 20 year plan. We have like a Voyage Comics plus app, you know,
mike:
BLEH
jacob_klatte:
and it’s on Roku
mike_lavoy:
Hehehehe
jacob_klatte:
and we’ve got all the content we’ve made. all the TV shows that we’ve produced.
mike:
The
jacob_klatte:
I mean,
mike:
fact
jacob_klatte:
it’s gonna
mike:
that
jacob_klatte:
happen.
mike:
you think
jacob_klatte:
Do
mike:
Roku
jacob_klatte:
you think
mike:
will be
jacob_klatte:
we’ll
mike:
relevant
jacob_klatte:
do it better?
mike:
shows
jacob_klatte:
Ha ha ha
mike:
that it’s
mike_lavoy:
Yeah,
mike:
not
jacob_klatte:
ha
mike:
going to happen.
mike_lavoy:
in 20
jacob_klatte:
ha.
mike_lavoy:
years.
phil_k:
Mm-hmm.
jacob_klatte:
um yeah maybe uh but uh oh yeah areopagus thanks mike i was i was
mike_lavoy:
Hehehe
jacob_klatte:
going somewhere with all that um no but like so he goes and he’s like he’s he’s quoting uh greek literature back to these kind of philosophers and thinkers and dare i say influencers eh ancient greek
mike_lavoy:
Getting
jacob_klatte:
influencers
mike_lavoy:
back to the…
jacob_klatte:
yeah um and he’s he’s and he’s saying here’s Jesus in your culture or here are the things pointing to Jesus in your culture so this is this is not even something that’s not in the bible itself right
mike_lavoy:
All right, so we have done this, as we mentioned, with the blog. We’re doing it with the comic books. Let’s talk a little bit about the podcast and why we’re branching out and trying to do a podcast. Let’s first start with Mike Schramm and Jacob Cletty. We wanna learn a little bit about you guys. We already learned about Phil and I. So Mike, why don’t we start with you? Tell us a little bit about yourself.
mike:
Yeah, so and I it’s always I sometimes do this too where if I’m talking and I’m going to refer to Mike Lavoy I’m like do I say Mike do I say Lavoy do I say Mike Lavoy, but anyway so I have been working in Education working in Catholic education pretty much since I graduated it from my undergrad I got a degree in elementary education started working actually in the parish setting doing a lot of adults faith formation, young adult faith formation, anything that had to do with education and preparation in the parish. I was doing a lot of that sort of stuff. And so I did that for seven years, went back to school, got my master’s in theology, and then I started looking at opportunities to teach at the higher level, whether it was high school theology, college level theology. And so that’s what I’ve been doing. This is my fourth year doing that. teaching at the local Catholic high school in our town, and then at the local Catholic university. I just do one class every semester. But I’ve been teaching theology pretty much ever since I graduated from college. And talking further about that, I mean, grew up cradle Catholic, went to Catholic school till seventh grade, did all the kind of classic cradle Catholic sorts of things. It wasn’t until I went to college, non-Catholic evangelical school where it wasn’t even anything where it’s like, oh, I left the church for a little bit or started practicing something else. I was never even tempted so much to practice another version of Christianity. It was just really a re-engagement with mere Christianity and how I was able to see that fulfilled from so much of my Catholic upbringing that I had already experienced. And so that’s what kind of led to a deeper, you know, reversion or deeper conversion into the faith, which then, like I said, led to wanting to kind of be in that world more, learning about and teaching Catholic theology.
mike_lavoy:
Awesome, Jacob, let’s hear your side.
jacob_klatte:
I’m just a really geeky nerdy guy and I like to drink beer and these guys
mike_lavoy:
Yeah.
jacob_klatte:
found me in a bar and they’re like, hey, you want to do a podcast? And I was
mike:
You
jacob_klatte:
like,
mike:
approached me,
jacob_klatte:
sure.
mike:
you know, you
jacob_klatte:
Well,
mike:
approached
jacob_klatte:
I
mike:
me.
mike_lavoy:
I’m sorry.
jacob_klatte:
don’t know. Sounds like we’re getting some revisionist history here, Mike. You can still be drunk
mike_lavoy:
Hehehe
jacob_klatte:
in this story.
mike:
You can still be drunk in this story, but you approached me, I think.
mike_lavoy:
Hehehehe
jacob_klatte:
I don’t know, that’s not how I remember it, but we can fight about it.
mike:
Shocking.
jacob_klatte:
Yeah, right? Go figure. No, anyway, let’s see here. I’m a graphic designer by trade and everything I said was largely true, despite what Mike
mike_lavoy:
Yeah.
jacob_klatte:
says. But I’m a graphic designer by trade. I work in the agriculture industry, actually. So I have zero backgrounds. in anything related to producing entertainment, which is why this show is so boring. No, I’m just
mike_lavoy:
Yeah.
jacob_klatte:
no, but let’s see, I came from an evangelical background growing up, you know, I actually have been through pretty much every form of Christianity there is at this point, where I was Lutheran when I was very young. And then I had a kind of come to Jesus evangelical thing. And then I kind of fell away in my twenties. And during that period of time, I did a lot of kind of kind of seeking and searching and things like that and found my way back to Jesus. Now, I ended up entering the Eastern Orthodox Church. So
mike_lavoy:
One of these
jacob_klatte:
spoiler
mike_lavoy:
things just
jacob_klatte:
alert.
mike_lavoy:
doesn’t belong here.
phil_k:
Mm-hmm.
mike:
For now.
jacob_klatte:
It’s what? Yeah.
mike:
For now.
jacob_klatte:
Spoiler alert. I’m not a
mike_lavoy:
So,
jacob_klatte:
heathen like the rest of you.
phil_k:
You
jacob_klatte:
I’m
mike_lavoy:
well
jacob_klatte:
actually…
mike_lavoy:
this is the problem with Noah Jacob is having you as the Orthodox and Mike as the Catholic, that’s kind of our schtick, but what are we gonna do when you can convert to Catholicism?
phil_k:
Thanks for
jacob_klatte:
then
phil_k:
watching!
mike_lavoy:
We gotta,
jacob_klatte:
you guys
mike_lavoy:
we’re
jacob_klatte:
just
mike_lavoy:
gonna start
jacob_klatte:
keep
mike_lavoy:
making
jacob_klatte:
hoping.
mike_lavoy:
like a second string, third string list of Orthodox guys to take your
jacob_klatte:
Bring
mike_lavoy:
place.
jacob_klatte:
in some replacement orthodox.
mike:
Yeah, right. We’ve tried finding another Orthodox guy willing to talk to me and
mike_lavoy:
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
jacob_klatte:
Mike is very off-putting, alright folks? No, very awkward in real life, let me tell you. No, but I ended up… here’s the thing is, you know, back when I was evangelical, I totally thought the Catholic Church was like the Whore of Babylon, right? Like, I was very anti-Catholic, and I think there’s something providential with me falling away from where I was. but then having a new found respect for historic Christianity and its development and whatnot. And so I am clearly way friendlier towards the Catholic Church now than I ever was when I was like kind of pre-20, let’s say. But yeah, entered the Orthodox Church. That was about five or six years ago now. And we ended up again meeting at a bar, Mike and I did. He says he met me at my church once too for one of our Greek festivals. Uh,
mike:
I mean,
jacob_klatte:
you can correct all this for the record later, I guess.
mike:
our kids were there.
jacob_klatte:
Yeah. Yeah. I remember the bars. Um, but, uh, and we were just hanging out. We were hanging out. Uh, we became friends. We, he was doing a, basically a Bible study, um, at the bar and I was there with some coworkers and like, you know, looking over my shoulder at all those cool kids at the cool kids table, you know, talking about Jesus stuff and being super jealous of it. And as I
mike:
I
jacob_klatte:
was
mike:
don’t
jacob_klatte:
walking
mike:
know if we’re
jacob_klatte:
out
mike:
gonna
jacob_klatte:
the door.
mike:
name drop on here, but it was technically pints with a quinus. It was a pints with a quinus group. It wasn’t just a bible study.
jacob_klatte:
I wasn’t sure if I should name
mike_lavoy:
If it
jacob_klatte:
drop
mike_lavoy:
helps
jacob_klatte:
or
mike_lavoy:
us
jacob_klatte:
not.
mike_lavoy:
get more listeners, yeah, we’re going to name
mike:
Yeah,
mike_lavoy:
drop.
mike:
well you know how some people will say like, oh, our show brought these two together and they got married. Well, you know, Matt Fradd brought us
jacob_klatte:
Mike
mike:
together
mike_lavoy:
I’m
mike:
and led
jacob_klatte:
let’s
mike:
to
jacob_klatte:
slow down
mike:
this
jacob_klatte:
a little
mike:
wonderful
jacob_klatte:
bit Mike No,
mike:
baby. So.
phil_k:
Thanks for watching!
jacob_klatte:
huh? Wow weird weird metaphors
mike_lavoy:
It’s getting
jacob_klatte:
going
mike_lavoy:
awkward.
jacob_klatte:
on over there. Yeah, I told you he was awkward folks but No, so we ended up but I was like hey, you know, here’s my information contact me next time you guys are doing this and that’s led into a multi-year kind of relationship where once a month we would and a group of people would go meet and You know just hang out like young Christian men at a bar having a good time. We’re not Ned Flanders, you know, we.
mike:
You gotta include though, the real turning point in our friendship, Jacob, was when we both drove an hour to go see Peter Crave give a talk about
jacob_klatte:
True.
mike:
the virtue of prudence.
jacob_klatte:
Mm-hmm.
mike:
And it was that where, that’s when we were like, okay, this is gonna be a lasting friendship. Because nobody else wanted to go with me.
jacob_klatte:
Yeah, I know. I was
mike:
Believe
jacob_klatte:
his
mike:
it or
jacob_klatte:
bottom
mike:
not.
jacob_klatte:
of the barrel, you know.
mike_lavoy:
Hahaha
jacob_klatte:
Leave it to the orthodox. The orthodox guy actually accepted the invitation. I mean
mike:
Oh,
jacob_klatte:
like,
mike:
I know. We’re always shamed
jacob_klatte:
wow.
mike:
amongst the Gentiles. We’re
phil_k:
Thanks
mike:
always
phil_k:
for
mike:
shamed.
phil_k:
watching!
mike_lavoy:
Yeah.
jacob_klatte:
So anyway, that’s how, you know, and then eventually Mike Lavoy ended up coming to those groups. And that’s kind of how I ended up here.
mike_lavoy:
Yeah, so like Jacob said, I went to the groups and I really enjoyed the conversational setting and the topics that would come up and I thought we just need to capture this in a podcast.
mike:
monetize it i think is what you
jacob_klatte:
Yeah, that’s what you meant to say, right? We need to make money off this somehow. How can we make money off this?
mike_lavoy:
That’s right.
jacob_klatte:
You know, when they were coming out with Voyage Podcast, they were really thinking Conquistadors, right? Like that’s
mike:
Yeah.
jacob_klatte:
the… they’re looking for the gold in the hills.
mike_lavoy:
Ha
jacob_klatte:
That’s…
mike_lavoy:
ha ha.
mike:
You forgot to include that on the logo. You didn’t do that
jacob_klatte:
Yeah.
mike:
in the, yeah.
mike_lavoy:
Yeah. Right.
jacob_klatte:
Anyway, you know, I’m honestly just
mike_lavoy:
Alright
jacob_klatte:
going to
mike_lavoy:
so-
jacob_klatte:
sit here and, you know, trash talk the whole…
mike:
I was gonna say, bite the hand that feeds me, how about? It’s like,
mike_lavoy:
Yeah.
jacob_klatte:
Are you sure you want me
mike:
let’s,
jacob_klatte:
to be on
mike_lavoy:
Luckily,
jacob_klatte:
your
mike_lavoy:
we
jacob_klatte:
own?
mike_lavoy:
don’t pay you guys anything.
mike:
yeah. Oh, and it’s like, it’s not like this is the first time I’ve ever spoken to, you know, the founder of Voyage in person, but you know, whatever.
phil_k:
I’m
mike:
It’s
phil_k:
gonna
mike:
like,
phil_k:
go.
jacob_klatte:
Mm-hmm.
mike:
we’ll just keep going down that track too. I’ll just keep like, dragging the name through the mud the whole time.
jacob_klatte:
This is gonna
mike_lavoy:
All right,
jacob_klatte:
be great.
mike_lavoy:
so for
mike:
Yeah.
mike_lavoy:
you two, so this is kind of your baby. We’re gonna hand it off to you. What is it that you want to accomplish in this podcast? What are the things you want to bring? Why another podcast?
mike:
Well, you guys both kind of mentioned in just the founding of Voyage Comics is the whole idea of finding the true, finding the good, finding the beautiful. And doing that through the specific medium of comic books or really kind of literature, if this kind of falls under that umbrella of literature. And podcasting is just another medium where that same sort of thing. can happen, but now it’s through not necessarily the beauty of the visual arts, but beauty of a conversation, right? Which is, like you said, Mike, that’s what inspired you to want this is you were recognizing not that you would have necessarily used that term, but it was like, there was a there was a truth, there was a goodness, and there was a beauty to the conversations that we were able to have. And so how can we, you know, bring that same thing out when talking about the goodness of the faith, the truth of the faith, and the beauty of the faith found in the different avenues, the different mediums, like mythological stories or mythological characters or comic book characters, comic book stories, movie characters, TV shows, whatever. And so
jacob_klatte:
So
mike:
it’s that
jacob_klatte:
it’s
mike:
same
jacob_klatte:
that
mike:
kind
jacob_klatte:
same
mike:
of,
jacob_klatte:
kind of
mike:
you know,
jacob_klatte:
feeling.
mike:
I guess that’s
jacob_klatte:
I guess
mike:
the
jacob_klatte:
that’s
mike:
why
jacob_klatte:
the
mike:
another
jacob_klatte:
point.
mike:
one. You know what I mean?
mike_lavoy:
Yeah, no, I think it’s important that you brought up the difference between the different types of media. You know, there’s certain things that you can do in comic books that you can’t do with traditional literature, that you can’t do in film or other mediums. But at the same time, there’s things you can do in a podcast that you can’t do in comic books. So we have this whole different avenue to, again, spread truth and goodness and beauty. And you guys, you know. We’ll
phil_k:
Thanks for watching!
mike_lavoy:
maybe be able to do that. I’m not sure you might, you might feel
jacob_klatte:
Ha ha ha!
mike_lavoy:
horribly time will tell,
jacob_klatte:
Yeah, well time
mike_lavoy:
but that’s
jacob_klatte:
will
mike_lavoy:
the
jacob_klatte:
tell.
mike_lavoy:
goal, right?
jacob_klatte:
You know. Fair enough, man. Fair enough. You know, I never asked for this, Mike. No.
mike_lavoy:
I’m sorry.
jacob_klatte:
He says that I approached him. But no, I never thought that I would
mike_lavoy:
You
jacob_klatte:
end
mike_lavoy:
did
jacob_klatte:
up doing
mike_lavoy:
this to
jacob_klatte:
a pop.
mike_lavoy:
me!
jacob_klatte:
Yeah.
mike:
Yeah.
jacob_klatte:
And it really kind of came out of… left field as far as like my life plans go, right? I enjoy a good podcast as much as the next guy, but having the opportunity, having the, you know, kind of privilege really to come onto a program like this and try to bring the reality of Christ into the everyday, you know, by talking about the stories that we tell each other and how they shape the culture around us. There needs to be a lot more of this. And I think the big theme… I think the big theme for everything regarding… Are you guys hearing that? Alright, yeah. Sorry. The big thing that is going to be my relationship with Voyage Comics is creating content that provides Christians somewhere to live. Culturally speaking, we need more than just us doing this, but you gotta start somewhere. And this company is an organization that can lay some groundwork. And I’m pretty excited for the possibility of creating a counter example and actually creating our own space for faithful Christians to enjoy this world. Because at the end of the day, a lot of this content is about enjoyment, but not have to trade off anything in order to experience joy through entertainment, but for the glory of God.
mike:
Well, and there’s a reason why it feels like every organization or every, you know, public figure is doing some sort of podcast. And most of them, I know a lot of them are just one person, one talking head in front of a mic, but so many of them are built off of the concept of a conversation, not only because it’s so desperately needed, right? Even where, yeah, technically, you know, if I’m listening to a conversation, I feel like I’m there, but I’m not actually there. But it’s like, we want that because we recognize. how true, how good, and how beautiful that is. And so it’s like, who wouldn’t want to play a role in creating something? I mean, I know it sounds strange, but like, who wouldn’t want to have a role in creating a beautiful conversation? Think of how life-giving that is. After you just finish having a very, you know, whether it’s a deep conversation with a friend, or just an uplifting, encouraging one, it’s like, you felt like you’ve created something true, good, and beautiful. And so getting that opportunity to, you know. talk with a good friend or good friends, and about things that we both care about, ultimately about Christ, but through the different avenues of artwork, whether it’s stories or visual mediums or whatever, who wouldn’t want to participate in this?
jacob_klatte:
Mm-hmm. I know I do.
mike_lavoy:
Yeah, that’s great. We’re blessed to give you guys this avenue to do that. And why don’t you tell us a little bit about some of the ideas you have planned. Like what are some of the topics you’re going to talk about and what do you hope to…
mike:
I gotta get my outline up quick. It’ll take a while.
jacob_klatte:
Oh.
mike:
Yeah.
jacob_klatte:
Ha ha ha.
mike_lavoy:
Hehehehe
mike:
Yeah.
jacob_klatte:
Oh, Mike’s got plans. He’s got many,
mike:
Yeah.
jacob_klatte:
many plans.
mike:
Yeah, I mean, just you mean like in terms of topics and that sort of thing? Is that?
mike_lavoy:
Yeah, like not only topics, but how are you gonna, what are you gonna add to a topic that hasn’t already been, that hasn’t already been said? So
mike:
Well…
mike_lavoy:
yeah, start with the topics. Give us some ideas of some of the things you’re gonna talk about.
mike:
I mean, the first couple that we’ve, I think we were just both kind of excited about and wanted to talk about right away had to do with just sort of like the kind of the meta narrative or the monomyth or the just what do what are the characteristics that all stories have, which I think is a really good kind of foundational episode or foundational topic because it’s something that we can keep revisiting every time we talk about, you know, this this story or this character or this event that we seem to a trend almost that we seem to happen. we seem to see happen in all these different movies or all these different TV shows, we can point back to this big sort of, you know, what Joseph Campbell calls the hero’s journey or what so many people have come across as the hero’s journey. So that’s kind of our first like two-parter that we wanna talk about. Because there are always so many ethical implications in the different stories that we tell and the things that we watch, we have another one that talks about the classic trolley problem, but through I think a little bit of a unique lens. in terms of, well, how are we approaching it that’s a little bit different, but that’s the only thing I’ll give as a teaser. I’m not going to go into any more than that.
mike_lavoy:
Yeah, and again, you’ll be looking at stories too to tie into that, which is appropriate because we’re a story company. That’s our mission is to find the good and the beautiful through stories,
mike:
Well yeah, and
mike_lavoy:
to
mike:
all
mike_lavoy:
change
mike:
of
mike_lavoy:
people’s
mike:
these
mike_lavoy:
lives.
mike:
are gonna be in the context of, well this is where we’ve seen this scenario play out, or this is where we see this trope, or this is where we see this concept. Again, whether it’s looking at one story very closely, or just saying, wow, we see this across the board in the five most popular movies of the last 10 years or something like that. So those sorts of things.
mike_lavoy:
Awesome. Well, I think we’re just about out of time, Mike. So let’s go ahead. Is there anything else you wanted to add or fill?
phil_k:
I’m looking forward to the podcast. Yeah, I’m just gonna sit back and relax and listen.
mike_lavoy:
Yeah, nobody believes you exist, Phil, so I wanted to make sure you got a word in there.
phil_k:
Yep.
jacob_klatte:
I’ll vouch for you, Phil.
phil_k:
That’s good
jacob_klatte:
I’m excited to get this thing going. I’m excited for just to talk about things that I love and enjoy and find out how they can be a path towards learning more about Jesus. At the end of the day, there’s not some kind of division out there. there’s only what’s true, there’s only the reality that God has made around us and that includes this kind of like good forces and bad forces playing out in the background. And you’re going to see that battle in all kinds of different mediums and stories that weren’t inherently designed to be Christian, but they still reflect truth. And insofar as they reflect that truth, they’re going to, you’re going to find Christ there. So let’s, let’s pull all that out so that people can start to see Christ everywhere they look.
mike:
I mean, yeah, he wasn’t just the Son of God, he was the Son of Man. And so anything that’s truly human is going to kind of tie us to that divine element that Jesus unites. And so yeah, the deeper we can investigate the human elements of stories, human elements of art, we’re going to be pulled closer into the divine element too. Did it feel like I just had to get the last word in?
jacob_klatte:
Always, no.
mike_lavoy:
You already have the last word scripted, Mike. You didn’t even
mike:
Yeah,
mike_lavoy:
need to do that.
mike:
that didn’t feel authentic enough though, so yeah.
jacob_klatte:
Hahaha
mike:
So since this is, I mean, this is kind of a, obviously this unnatural break we’re not gonna include, but then do you want me to just kind of go right into the thanks to all those who joined us? Is that sort of like the
mike_lavoy:
Yeah,
mike:
next?
mike_lavoy:
I think if we said everything we wanna say, I think we can go ahead and do that.
mike:
Just, I know that you’re not gonna know exactly, but like a rough estimate in terms of time, because if we still wanted to make this about 40 minutes per episode, you know, once we cut all the things out that we already knew are gonna get cut out, are we looking at about 40 minutes? Because that’s what,
mike_lavoy:
Yeah,
mike:
you know, when
mike_lavoy:
we started
mike:
Jake and
mike_lavoy:
about
mike:
I have
mike_lavoy:
five
mike:
our…
mike_lavoy:
minutes into this.
mike:
Yeah, and like
jacob_klatte:
Mm-hmm.
mike:
Jacob, when Jake and I talk, we’ll have like, we usually go about 90 minutes, but we always do that with the sense of, okay, when after everything’s cut out and it’s cut in half, it’s really gonna be about 40 to 45 minutes per episode.
mike_lavoy:
Yeah, no, I
mike:
you
mike_lavoy:
think
mike:
know
mike_lavoy:
we’re in good shape.
mike:
alright let me just pull this over so i can see the whole thing All right. Thanks to all those who joined us this hour. We hope it was fun and beneficial for you. Please subscribe
mike_lavoy:
Stop,
mike:
to the Voyage Podcast.
mike_lavoy:
stop, stop.
mike:
Is that too canned?
mike_lavoy:
Mike, you’re reading it.
mike:
Yeah. Okay. So…
mike_lavoy:
No pressure.
mike:
yeah, yeah, yeah.
jacob_klatte:
Do it better.
phil_k:
Hahaha
mike_lavoy:
Do it better.
jacob_klatte:
Do it better, Mike.
mike:
Now this will feel thanks all those who joined us this hour. Oh, you just ruined it Thanks to all
jacob_klatte:
All
mike:
those
jacob_klatte:
right.
mike:
who joined us this hour No, it’s good if you have the laughing in the background, right? It feels
jacob_klatte:
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mike:
more authentic.
mike_lavoy:
Yeah,
mike:
Thanks
mike_lavoy:
right.
mike:
Oh, that’s see now we can are we all gonna like shit on Jacob for
jacob_klatte:
Yeah,
mike:
that
jacob_klatte:
just
phil_k:
Thanks
mike:
cuz
phil_k:
for
jacob_klatte:
start,
mike:
okay.
phil_k:
watching!
jacob_klatte:
no. Let’s all
mike:
Thanks
jacob_klatte:
just start with a group laugh. Ah ha ha ha ha
phil_k:
Ha
jacob_klatte:
ha
phil_k:
ha ha!
jacob_klatte:
ha.
mike:
Thanks to all those who joined us this hour we hope it was fun and beneficial for you Please subscribe to the Voyage Podcast so you don’t miss our upcoming episodes. We hope you’ll join us on our next episode as we begin our discussion on the hero’s journey. and cut.